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IVF with donor eggs: is it for me? Indications & good practices. | #IVFWebinar

Watch the webinar recording from EggDonationFriends’ event held on 12th December 2017 – free webinar “IVF with donor eggs – is it for me? Indications & good practices” presented by GYNEM, a fertility clinic from Prague, the Czech Republic.  EggDonationFriends are not slowing down in assisting fertility patients and we continue to provide you the most reliable and easily accessible knowledge on everything connected with infertility, IVF with donor eggs, other fertility solutions and the quality and cost of IVF in the clinics abroad.

The previous EggDonationFriends webinars were held on topics like Fresh vs. Frozen Eggs, IVF over 40, and Embryo Transfer on Day 3 or Day 5. They were presented by fertility experts from such clinics as Assisting Nature Greece, Intersono in Ukraine and PreGen in Spain – we are glad the events have generated so much interest among international patients, mostly from the UK, Ireland, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Australia, Canada, France and even Saudi Arabia.

Read the complete transcript of  Questions & Answers from the webinar:

Questions and Answers

Q 1: What is high FSH?

FSH is Follicle-stimulating hormone is a gonadotropin that secrets in pituitary gland of every woman. This hormone helps follicles grow. In the reproductive age in all women it is below 10. When FSH starts to grow, it can be a sign of some problem with ovarian reserve or ovarian function decrease. It’s one of the diagnostic parameters.

Q 2: What do you mean by reproductive history? If they have previously given birth or regular menstrual cycles?

Both of them. From the reproductive history you get the information if the donor has had a child or children, about personal gynaecological history, about regularity of menstrual cycles as well as the hormonal level, ultrasound check-ups.

Q 3: Do you help single women?

Unfortunately, in the Czech Republic is not allowed. There is an agreement that has to be signed by both partners. Also, I can see Rosa has asked me if FSH can change by the day of the test. Yes, sure. The test must be done on day 2 or 3 of the cycle, at the beginning of the cycle.

Q 4: I don’t have periods any more. In my case will my cycle be synchronised with the donor? I’m 42.

It’s one of the indications as we already discussed. If you don’t have periods, it’s even better: you don’t need to synchronize your cycle with the donor cycle. We will just choose the best timing for you, when you plan to come, then we start to prepare you, and at the same time – the donor.

Q 5: I still have my periods but it’s not as regular as it used to be, so do I still have any chance? I’m 45.

As I mentioned before, after the age of 40 the chance to get pregnant with own eggs is really low, maximum 10%. After 42 it really decreases drastically, about 2%. In your case, I would suggest you don’t waste your time and proceed with donor eggs.

Q 6: What are the advantages of the egg recipient having the same blood group and rhesus factor with the egg donor?

It’s a good question. There are no advantages. It doesn’t influence the success rate. But many patients choose the same blood group and rhesus factor because in case your child needs you as a blood donor, and you want to keep it anonymous, this is the main reason to choose a donor with the same blood group, but again it’s not necessary. If you don’t mind, we can select a donor with a different blood group as well.

Q 7: Would you recommend for someone to go straight for egg donation? And just skip I’m 40.

I have showed this before. You can check the algorithm. In some case of course you should directly proceed with egg donation program. But, in some cases, for example if you’re 40, the AMH level is normal for your age, of course we know the good range is 1-7 but after 40 we can’t expect AMH more than 1- 1.5. So that’s why in your case you can try IVF with own eggs a few times. But you have to understand that success rate is not so high. Try, of course, but if using different methods of IVF with your eggs don´t result in pregnancy, you should consider egg donation program.

Q 8: How do I ensure my body does not reject an egg that is not mine?

It’s a good question. As I mentioned before, immunological factor is a very controversial issue, however, we usually give to all recipients a small dosage of prednisolone to decrease the immunological response. Considering the high success rate, I wouldn´t take it as an issue.
I think it’s the same when you have your own egg. An embryo from your own egg or from a donor egg is the same. As you can understand an embryo is half yours and half of your partner. The implantation failure doesn´t happen. The nature is clever and takes care of this matter.

Q 9: Can donor eggs be used with poor sperm quality of the partner?

Yes, of course we can use donor eggs, but we have to understand that, as I mentioned before, the good embryo quality comes from good egg and good sperm quality. But we have many possibilities to select good sperm, mature sperm (PICSI, INCI, MACS). In case it fails, we can try PGS screening. If you don’t have good embryo quality, then you can think about sperm donor.

Q 10: How many days would I have to stay in Prague? Can it be done in one visit?
First of all, you should contact our coordinator. Then, we’ll organize Skype consultation with a doctor. We’ll discuss everything, your doubts, your previous treatments and then we’ll plan if you come directly for IVF or donor program.
As for the time, it depends. For egg program if you travel together with your partner, it’s about a week. If you have no time, then your partner can come anytime to our clinic to leave the sperm sample. And then you’ll come just for a few days for embryo transfer.

Q 11: What are the advantages/disadvantages of frozen egg vs fresh egg transfer from donors?
In our clinic we only work with fresh eggs. We have great experience with fresh eggs programs, so that’s why we decided to continue with such programs.

Q 12: Is it a fresh cycle from the donor or are the donor eggs frozen?
As I answered the previous question, we work only with fresh eggs.

Q 13: How can a man greatly improve the quality of his sperms if it is 1% good only, and has 2 months to do IVF with donor eggs?

I think it is a question for an andrologist. It depends on the reason why the sperm has a bad quality. May be an idiopathic reason or because of some previous treatments or hormonal reasons. Based on that, the andrologist plans the treatment. But as I said it depends on the reasons.

Q 14: Is it possible to try and transfer one’s own egg and at the same time transfer donor egg and implant them together? What are the advantages/disadvantages?
I’m not sure if it’s really a good idea. Theoretically, of course, it’s possible. It’s better to understand what we’re going to transfer. So in case you use donor eggs, usually we do not proceed with PGS screening, but in case of your own eggs and when the age is over 40, then we have to understand what we will transfer. Also to prevent miscarriage or other complications. That’s why I would recommend to transfer an embryo from your own eggs. And then, in case it doesn’t work, in the next cycle we can transfer embryo from donor egg and see if you have more chances.

Additional explanation to question 11: What are the advantages/disadvantages of frozen egg vs. fresh egg transfer from donors?
As I mentioned before, at our clinic we work with fresh eggs only. That’s why based on my experience, for women to whom we provide the egg freezing services (i.e. single women, women before chemotherapy or ovarectomy), I always recommend, in case they have a partner, to freeze their embryos and not just eggs. We have more experience in that and it works better. So that’s why in our clinic we don’t work with frozen eggs.

Q 15: Can we use different Rh factor of donor eggs? Hypothetical situation: I am Rh+ and possible egg donor is Rh-?
Yes, I think we already had that question. Of course it’s possible. It doesn’t influence the IVF success rate. But with the Rh factor, I would suggest to use donor eggs with Rh+. It’s not because of the IVF success rate. It’s for your pregnancy, because we can have a pathological situation with the Rhesus conflict – that’s why it is better to use the same Rh factor, but it’s not so important with blood group.

Q 16: Can FSH change by the day of the test (day 2 or 3 of the cycle) and change each month?

Of course, both FSH and AMH can change, but the change won’t be huge. Of course we have to test on day 2 or 3 of your cycle. For example, in one month you may have FSH 12, in the next month 14, and then next month 10 or 11. It’s always the same range. The same with AMH: if you have 0.3 nanograms or 0.5 – it’s not so huge change. It shows the actual situation, but as I mentioned in the presentation, the combination of diagnostic parameters is important, not just single FSH or AMH result. We have to consider all parameters: FSH, AMH, antral follicle count and age.

Q 17: What if I don’t have period from the age 19 and my uterus is not developed. Can I have IVF? Will my body cope with it?

Now it’s very difficult to answer. Why you have this situation. I need to know your hormonal level and I need to see your ultrasound results. Then only we can discuss the possibilities. Unfortunately, this is not enough information.

Q 18: Carol: I also have FSH of 9.9u/L. Is that OK or borderline? Rosa: My FSH came back 11.1. Is that a bad reading?

As I mentioned before, we can’t consider just FSH. It’s important to see the combination of various parameters. 9.9 and 11 – it still ok, maybe it shows a sign of poor ovarian function, but to answer this question we also need to consider AMH level and antral follicle count.

Q 19: What about using fresh eggs and frozen sperm? Is it better to have both fresh samples? Does the sperm quality decrease when frozen over time?

In case when we have normal sperm range, the quality of sperm doesn’t decrease with time. Sometimes our patients, if they have no time to stay one week in the Czech Republic, the partner can come for one day and leave the sperm sample. We will freeze it and then we proceed with the fresh donor cycle.

Q 20: My FSH is 67 and my age is 32. I’ve been declared as an infertile woman but the doctors don’t know why I don’t have period cycle from that age (19 years old).

FSH 67 is really high. Such result is common for women who starting their menopause. I also don’t know the cause why it happened. Maybe it is some genetic predisposition or maybe some congenital problem. In your situation where FSH is really high and you don’t have period, it recommended to proceed with donor eggs.

Q 21: Out of curiosity, would you consider IVF for a 28-year-old with AMH 0.2 and FSH 90. I’ve been declined in the UK because of the test results?

It’s also difficult because FSH is really high and AMH is really low, but you are young. It’s also important that you have regular periods. If you’re ovulating, then maybe in your case we can try natural cycle or maybe soft stimulation but FSH is really high here. We can try maybe not IVF yet, but natural cycle. Then, in case it doesn’t work, we have to proceed with a donor program.

Q 22: What about using a fresh egg and frozen sperm? Is it better to have both fresh samples? Does the sperm quality decrease when frozen over time?

I think I already answered that. Based on our experience it is better to use fresh eggs and it doesn’t matter if you have fresh or frozen sperm sample. Just in the case when the sperm range is not good, then it is better to proceed with fresh sperm material.

Q 23: What happens if the endometrium of the recipient patient’s is not ready on the transfer day with fresh eggs?

We can proceed with embryo freezing and prepare your endometrium for the next cycle. You will get a hormonal replacement therapy plan, where on day no. 10 of HRT we do endometrium ultrasound control (check-up). According to this data we can change the medication and prepare you better for the transfer. But if the case is that your endometrium is not ready for some reason, we can freeze all the embryos and do the transfer later.

Q 24: In my case there is no period and the uterus is not developed. Can I receive medication to help develop it to make sure that the pregnancy will not be lost? Are there any procedures?

It all depends on individual patient. But before trying with donor egg program, you can try some hormonal treatment just to understand if your endometrium is reacting to the treatment. This is important. If it is reacting and you have endometrium of at least 7mm, then we can plan the transfer. However, if it does not happen and your uterus will not answer, then we have to consider other treatment possibilities, such as surrogacy program.

Q 25: I’m 36, FSH 12.4 , AMH 1.6, had one IVF cycle with max. dose 450Iu Menopur, only had 3 follicles, my antral follicle count is low, my clinic suggested egg donor, husband’s sperm count and motility is good. What do you think?

You had just 3 follicles and how many mature eggs did you get? This is important information. How these eggs were fertilised and if you had embryo transfer or not. It’s important information. But even if we don’t have results, your age is still OK, you are 36. Maybe I would try soft stimulation protocol. In your case different protocols may work, sometimes long protocol. But I would try IVF with own eggs one more time.

Q 26: Are there any chances that in the future if you have a baby using donor eggs that you would be feeling that “this wasn’t my egg”?

So it’s a philosophical question. From my experience, we’ve had couples who came back to our clinic for a second child. They had their first using donor eggs. I think when you are pregnant and you have all pregnancy symptoms, you hear your child’s heartbeat, then you give birth and breastfeed the baby…all those things don’t let you feel that the baby is not yours. Of course it’s very personal feeling, but from my experience I never heard something like that.

Q 27: What are the percentages of successful implantation and full term pregnancy for couple of 44 years of age using an egg donor and husband’s sperm?

As I mentioned in egg donor program the age is not so important. We have the same results for women aged 40 and 47. The implantation rate and the success of IVF depend mostly of the embryo quality. So that’s why when we use donor eggs and if your husband has good quality sperm we can expect a good quality embryo and a good implantation rate.

Q 28: Do you have donors of African and Indian origin?

I’m not sure. We might have some Chinese donors. I will check this information with our coordinators. Unfortunately, we currently don’t have African and Indian origin donors.

Q 28: (AMH 0.2, FSH 90) I don’t have a natural period, only stimulated by estrogen and progesterone. Would you still recommend something apart from donor egg? I’m 28.

I think donor eggs might be a solution.

Q 29: I tried IVF on short protocol but did not finish the treatment because I was reacting to the medication and only had one egg developing properly, so do you think I still have chances with donor eggs? I’m 45.

Yes, why not? With donor egg program your previous ovarian answer during IVF with own eggs is no longer important. We use donor eggs, that’s why you have good chances.

Q 30: How long do you recommend to wait to travel after the transfer?

Usually we have patients who travel directly after the transfer. They sometimes go back home on the same day, because we have a lot of patients from Germany or, for example, from Czech Republic. You can also travel the day after. It doesn’t really influence the results.

Q 31: Can a patient select a donor from photographs?

No, because donors are anonymous and if we show you a picture is not anonymous anymore. That’s why we will provide you with as much information as possible about the donor’s hobbies, education, job, hair/eye colour, height, but not a photo.

Q 32: How do you select egg donors?

Our egg donors are young, between 18 and 32 years old in our clinic. They are healthy of course, with no diseases in personal or family history, they are all tested for STD, they are gynecologically monitored, genetically tested. If you mean selecting donors for the recipient, then, first of all, the recipient needs to fill in a form asking for their phenotype characteristics. According to this information we select a donor and match her to your profile. Then we contact this donor and plane the timing of the treatment.

Q 33: Can you choose the sex of the baby? And can you go for twins for example?

Gender selection in the Czech Republic is prohibited. We can do single embryo transfer or we can transfer two embryos.

Q 34: How long does it typically take to match the donor and the recipient?

We have a good donor database, so you contact our coordinator and then you have a consultation with a doctor and if everything is OK, then the coordinator sends you 2 or 3 donor descriptions (A, B or C). Your will have to choose one of them. Then we contact the donor and you will inform us what date you prefer when you plan to travel. So it’s one month maybe from the first contact with our clinic.

Q 35: How many eggs are guaranteed from the egg donor?

We guarantee six mature eggs.

Q 36: How many times can an egg donor donate her eggs and how many eggs can I receive from their cycle to be fertilized?

Your donor is just for you (exclusive donor), so it means all eggs that we will have from this donor are yours. If we have 10, 12, 15, all are yours. But the minimum that we guarantee is 6 mature eggs. How many times can an egg door donate? In the Czech Republic 5, maximum 6 times, but in our clinic 5 times.

Q 37: What is the waiting time to find a donor?

There is no waiting time, except if you have special requests. We have a wide donor database, that’s why it’s really fast from the first contact with the coordinator, appointment or Skype consultation and then donor selection – it can take about a week.
To select a donor is enough 1 or max. 2 weeks, but to start the treatment and synchronize donor with recipient might take min. 1 month.

Q 38: Can you select a donor who already has had kids before?

Of course. It’s according to your wishes. We can provide you with this information. Yes, we can do it.

Q 39: What happens to any frozen embryos if we get and stay pregnant?

All embryos are yours, so according to the program we will keep them for a year and then every year you can decide what you want to do. If you want us to keep them in our clinic until you decide to have another child, you can come back for frozen embryo transfer. If you don’t need it anymore, you need to inform us.

Everything about IVF with donor eggs in Europe

The fourth edition of EggDonationFriends webinar was dedicated to everyone who is researching or considering fertility treatments, especially IVF with donor eggs. Before choosing your treatment path many of you have a lot of questions:

  • Considering my age should I first try with my own eggs or donor eggs?
  • IVF with donor eggs – is it for me? What are the indications?
  • Are donor eggs my only chance?
  • What are the IVF with donor eggs success rates in Czech Republic?
  • Am I not too old to get pregnant and have a healthy baby?
  • What are the good practices used by fertility doctors in Prague?
  • Is IVF with donor eggs more successful than standard IVF treatment?
  • How many embryos are transferred during IVF with donor eggs in Europe?
  • How many cycles of IVF with donor eggs can I have?
  • What is the process of IVF with donor eggs in Czech Republic?

Similar questions and doubts were answered during the webinar on 12th December. We have noted a record number of questions from the patients – 39! The presenter, Dr. Maria Khutorskaya, an IVF specialist from GYNEM, fertility clinic from Czech Republic, answered them all during the Q&A session. All questions and answers are published published above.

Fertility doctors in Czech Republic

Dr. Khutorskaya has received her degree in the Faculty of Medicine from Samara University (Russia). She was also recognized with a certificate by Charles University (Prague). Dr. Maria also spent a year at the University of Siena in Italy. Dr. Khutorskaya is known by her patients as a doctor with positive attitude and a great professional. Our fertility expert’s hobbies go beyond medicine and fertility.  Her hobbies are traveling, books and sports. What is important for international patients, Dr. Khutorskaya speaks 3 languages fluently: English, Russian and Italian.

IVF with donor eggs in Czech Republic

Since 2015 Dr. Khutorskaya has been working with GYNEM Fertility Clinic in Prague which is a family-owned clinic. GYNEM is popular with international fertility patients who choose this clinic mainly because of the vast experience of the doctors (e.g. more than 19-year experience in assisted reproductive technologies of dr. Milan Mrazek, PhD), advanced medical equipment and convenient and tourist-friendly location in the heart of Prague, the Czech Repbulic.

GYNEM fertility centre’s doctors have managed to achieve one of the highest IVF success rates which is 63% – the data refers to clinical pregnancy with donor eggs gathered in 2016. Patients from abroad who visit the clinic can benefit from personalized treatment programs, immediate availability of egg donors or other treatments, 24/7 clinic’s assistance and free pick-up and drop-off.

A big advantage of GYNEM is the Trusted Clinic certificate awarded by EggDonationFriends. This type of certificate is only awarded to medical institutions which have been thoroughly screened by EggDonationFriends and confirmed to provide perspicuous and transparent information on pricing, operations and standards.

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