Watch the recording of EggDonationFriends’ webinar on IVF and PGD/PGS testing. The webinar attracted many fertility patients interested in preimplantation embryo testing and willing to learn more before they make important decisions about their treatment. Check the video and listen to the presentation – we hope it will help you to decide if PGS/PGD is for you.
If you have a medical indication for IVF, you have probably started researching the topic of assisted reproduction technologies to be able to make better decisions about your future treatment. This knowledge comes in a package with the whole lot of new vocabulary, medical terms and acronyms like PGD or PGS testing. You may have also encountered the name Preimplantation Genetic Testing (PGT) which has been recently used for both terms.
Due to enormous interest of patients in preimplantation genetic screening and IVF success rates after PGS, EggDonationFriends had decided to run a webinar to cover the above topic. We have invited dr. Joaquín Rueda, the Director of the Genetics Unit at Hospital UR Vistahermosa in Spain to talk on preimplantation embryo testing. Dr. Rueda is highly experienced in this matter and his team at the genetics unit is made up of experts who specialise in clinical genetics, cytogenetics and molecular genetics. Dr. Rueda is a physician himself, specialist in Clinical Genetics, Professor at the Faculty of Medicine of Alicante and the Scientific Director of the BioBank.
IVF with donor oocytes and PGS – Questions & Answers
Q1: I’m 47 and planning IVF with my own eggs. My sister had 2 children in her 30s. My niece was born with hemihypertrophy. Unfortunately, she died at 5, as she was severely disabled. Is this hereditary?
It’s very difficult to say if it’s hereditary with only this information, because only one part of this pathology is hereditary. If you don’t have any other issues in their family, probably you don’t have to worry. You will have more chances of problems at your age if you are planning IVF with your own eggs as most of the eggs will have chromosomal errors, but you can have some eggs. My recommendation is to do a PGS or if you are already pregnant, you should check the prenatal genetic study.
Q2: It is possible to carry out a study prior to embryo implantation in search of genes involved in neural tube defect? I have 10 cryopreserved embryos, of double donor (donation of oocytes and semen) with a history of transference of dizygotic twin pregnancy, twin II with anencephaly in twin II and geleo I with lumbosacral rachischisis (male).
Most neural tube defects are not genetic. There is another problem related to nutritional defects but in this case, your cryopreserved embryos could be used. Neural tube defects can by studied using echo during the 20th week of pregnancy.
Q3: Are PGD and NGS testing safe? As the HFEA website in the UK states: “Removing part of the embryo may cause changes in later growth in the womb, which may cause problems in later life.”
We know that the NGS is not a problem because NTA is a technique used to study DNA. The problem is with the biopsy. We take one cell, or now that we do the biopsy of the blastocyst, we take three or four cells, not from the embryo but from trophoblast. Theoretically, there could be damage to the embryo as is, but not necessarily for the future of the embryo. At least, this is the situation, as we as currently know it.
Q4: Does it really increase pregnancy rates in older women? I have an AMH of 39 and I am 42 years and 10 months. I was given a live birth rate of 30% by a clinic abroad if I do a cycle of IVF with NGS testing. That seems very high compared with the rate I was given without NGS testing – which was 15% live birth with mild stimulation IVF. Does that sound realistic? Also, why does the British Fertility Association say that doesn’t improve pregnancy rates if your research says it does?
There is a lot of controversy with PGS. This is because, in the past, we used a technique with a very early biopsy and no study with NGS. Now, with NGS, we can study the entire DNA. We perform this with an oscillator at five days in the embryo. The results we have had in the last two or three years are very good compared with previous results and most of the articles published verify good results. But, is it true that is controversial, and we can assure you that the results work, in all cases.
Q5: Can PGS damage healthy normal embryos?
If I had to answer with a yes or no, then yes, it can, but the possibility is less than 2 to 3%.
Q6: If one has high NK cells then undergoes IVF with donor egg & sperm from husband in addition to immune medication, will this work?
The study of natural killer cells is not related to PGS, these are completely different things. PDS will work regardless of the presence of natural killer cells.
Q7: Is it possible for embryos to auto-correct?
Yes, this it is possible for them to auto-correct. But as this happens normally between three and five days and we perform the biopsy at day 5, most embryos at this stage will have already auto-corrected or will have stopped.
Q8: We are using donor eggs and sperm (donor embryo) with our own embryo this time after several IVF failures. Is PGS recommended in adoption embryo?
We study an adoption embryo in the same way as any other embryo. An adoption embryo is supposed to be good because the egg and sperm are supposed to be good. But as we saw before, if you check the embryo genetically, you can have bad results. If are using a single embryo transfer, it is good to study the embryo but if you are using more than one, say two, is not probably necessary because one of the two will be okay.
Q9: In PGS, the biopsy is done from the trophoblast. What are the chances that the embryo/child will still be born healthy, as the material that will form the child will not be examined?
In PGS the biopsy is done from the trophoblast and the embryo develops from the embryoblast, another part of the embryo at this stage. Almost all of the cells come from the cells that become the zygote. The trophoblast and embryoblast should be the same genetically. It is true that sometimes there are differences between the cells, but this is not a very important problem. I think it is safe but if there is a problem the embryo may stop later and will never reach the end of the pregnancy.
Q10: I am 39 years old, have been told that egg donation is my only option as AMH is very low, 3 cycles of IVF have failed (one was a miscarriage), I have endometriosis and my husband has a genetic condition called Fabry disease which is carried on the X chromosome (so a daughter may be a carrier, a son will be fine). Would this treatment benefit us (with egg donation)? Also, is this done as fresh or frozen?
At 39 years old, most of your eggs probably have altered chromosome and we would have a failure. Endometriosis is another problem but if you could check the embryo the possibility to have a baby will be higher. The problem of your husband is a different problem than chromosome problem, but you can check for Fabry at the same you check the embryo, to select one without the mutation that caused the Fabry. Probably we need to use a frozen embryo to study it. We cannot have enough time and would have to use a frozen embryo.
Q11: In both cases, with an adoption embryo and our own embryo donors come from donors under 25 years but we cannot figure out whether to do PGS or PGD as we had several implantation failures with donor eggs.
Most of the PGD techniques for monogenic diseases could be followed by PGS then you can you can do both techniques to see if there are any genetic problems.
Q12: We had trisomy 7 diagnosed in our lost pregnancy (7th pregnancy week). Is it significant for our future trials or is it just a single case?
It would be very bad luck to have one loss following another other, so the risk of having a second embryo with trisomy 7 is very low, and not a significant barrier to you having a normal pregnancy without problems. In clinical genetics, if we have a woman with a previous trisomy treatment regimen, we would normally do all prenatal studies. Although the chance of problems is very low, I would still recommend checking this.
Q13: The 10 embryos are from the same litter, which in the beginning were 12 embryos. They transferred 2, those that had neural tube defect. And I want to know if I can transfer any of the 10 saved.
To answer the question I would need to have more information about the problem but probably you can transfer any of the ten. I need to have more information.
Q14: Does it really increase pregnancy rates in older women? I have an AMH of 39 and I am 42 years and 10 months. I was given a live birth rate of 30% by a clinic abroad if I do a cycle of IVF with NGS testing. That seems very high compared with the rate I was given without NGS testing – which was 15% live birth with mild stimulation IVF. Does that sound realistic?
(answer as Question 4)
Q15: Is PGS recommended when using donor egg and husband’s semen that is of low quality in terms of morphology?
Yes. The low quality of the semen means that the embryo, no matter whether with own egg or donor egg, will be of a worse quality, i.e. aneuploidy. If you are using donor egg will be less aneuploidy, but we will still have a number of unusable embryos and it is in such cases we recommend PDS.
Q16: As far as I understand PGS can be done on frozen cycle only. So at what stage the embryo biopsy and testing should be done 3rd or 5th day? Does it have any impact on success rates?
This is a very important question. We do the biopsy on day 3 or day 5. If we do the biopsy on day 3, we can do this with a fresh embryo because we transfer on day 6. But if we perform the biopsy on day 5, we don’t have enough time to transfer it next day, not unless you have the genetic laboratory side-by-side with a fertility clinic, as we do. Normally, nowadays, the biopsy is done on day five because we have much better results are using NGS, but the problem is that we have to freeze the embryo and transfer in the next cycle.
Q17: Further to my question 8, an adoption embryo under the age of 25 and with our own embryo (with donor eggs) is also under the age of 25.The adoption embryo will have NGS/PGS. Should we do PGS or PGD with our own embryo (with husband sperm)? Could you please advise as we had implantation failures around 8 times?
PGS is a kind of PGV. PGV is a broad definition for monogenic screening and is a screening technique. In the embryo, to check for euploidy or aneuploidy, we use a type of PGD that we call PGS or now pgtA aneuploidy. We perform pre-implantation genetic screening that is a type of pre-implantation genetic diagnosis. If you are using a donor you are not supposed to have any implantation failure.
Q18: We have gone through 10 IVFs and during the first AMH examination it was gradually diminishing (from 1.1 to 0.3). A few weeks ago we had another AMH test and discovered it has risen to 1.4. We were preparing for egg donation and now have been told we can try again with own eggs. Why and what happened that it has risen and what does it mean for us?
This means that you should have fewer eggs and, although I don’t know your age, but if you are older than 35 as I suppose you are, you will have fewer eggs. Most of those eggs will have aneuploidy but you will probably still have some eggs that are normal. For this reason is good to check the embryo by means of genetic studies.
Q19: Thank you for answering my question about the trisomy 7 of our lost pregnancy. Is my karyotype ok? What else should I check?
I suppose your karyotype is okay. I suppose you have a karyotype after the trisomy 7 in the foetus. You cannot do anything more, but the recommendation from a genetic point of view is to do a genetic study in the next pregnancy.
Q20: I am 39 and my husband has balanced translocation. We just discovered this after 3 miscarriages from IVF. What should our plan be now? Should we do both PGD and PGS? What are the chances of healthy embryo/live birth?
We have a lot of people with balanced translocation and unbalanced translocation. This is not a problem for people who have it. The problem will be to make sperm or eggs, in this case, the sperm. You don’t need to worry about the health of your husband. It means that we will have more embryos with or without all the material or a higher chance of miscarriage. You can study the embryo and in fact, this is a medical indication to perform PGD. Nowadays, with any NGS technique, we can see the translocation and the rest of the chromosomes. Then for this problem, we will do a PGS and this is enough to see the balanced translocation and all the chromosomes. The chance to have a healthy live birth is possible. If you are 39 years old, we’re talking about 15 to 20% chance of a normal embryo. If we genetically study the embryos, you will find a normal one.
Q21: When asking a clinic about their PGS testing- what should I be asking? Do clinics differ in the techniques they use?
Now the techniques that most of the clinics use are NGS and PDS. I think there are a few clinics to use Array, an older technique but you can use Array without any problem, and for the results are similar. NGS is probably cheaper and we can study more things but for aneuploidy, the results could be similar. There are some clinics that do the biopsy on day 3 but most of the clinics are moving to day 5. The best could be the biopsy on day 5 using NGS but you can use Array without any problems.
Q22: Is it possible that even if you have a PGS tested embryo you will not have a successful pregnancy? Does the age of the woman carrying the normal PGS tested embryo make a difference in outcome?
PGS does not make a better embryo. PGS chooses the embryo without any problems so we can have more embryos without aneuploidy. If we do PGS and we don’t have any embryo with euploidy, we will not have any to transfer. But the normal situation is that with PGS, depending on the age of the patient, we will have at least one that will be okay that we can transfer and have a successful pregnancy. This is a very high chance but not 100%; this is not possible in medicine, as you know.
Q23: Is there any risk of having a disabled child after PGS testing or does PGS testing eliminate all risk of Down’s syndrome, Patau, and other abnormalities? If it doesn’t eliminate the risks, what percentage risk remains for Down’s syndrome and other conditions like these after PGS (NGS) testing?
With PGS we screen all chromosomes. We screen for Down’s and Patau and other anomalies that we can see with NGS but we are not able to check for every genetic disease. The possibility of having a disabled child after PGS remains, but is very low. Even if there are no issues with the parents, this doesn’t eliminate the risk completely. Actually, after PGV we generally recommend monitoring the embryo at a later stage with prenatal diagnosis.
Q24: What is the risk of an embryo not making it through the PGS process?
If we have a normal embryo, there is a still a possibility that there are some problems in the in the uterus. We can have a very good embryo but if we have a problem in the uterus, in the endometrium, the pregnancy will be lost. During PGS is possible to damage an embryo but this possibility is less than 5%.
Q25: How long does it take to have the results after the biopsy?
This depends on the clinic because it depends on the genetic laboratory. The genetic study takes around 15-20 hours, but normally in the laboratories, if we transfer in the next cycle, we have the result in two or three weeks. This is because, to perform NGS we need several embryos, and this makes the price very high, but we normally we extract the DNA and keep it DNA frozen until we have several embryos. For that reason, most clinics will say two or three days, but the study itself takes only one day.
Q26: Does the transfer in frozen cycle decrease the success rates of IVF? As people say fresh bread tastes better than frozen bread.
To answer these questions I have to tell you that it depends on the program of the clinic. The results that we have now in most of the publications say that a frozen cycle is better than fresh. If the program of the clinic with frozen embryos is good, then the success rates could be better with frozen rather than fresh embryos.
Q27: Is PGS necessary in a proven donor if husband’s sperm is also normal?
PGS is not necessary at all. PGS is only a recommendation because we know that with PGS we will have better results. With a proven donor, if your husband’s sperm is good, the possibility of success is very high, in our hands around 65%. If you do PGS this can rise by about ten percentage points. In either case, the possibility of success is high.
Q28: Is there any health authority that rates clinics?
It depends on the country. In Spain, there is a registry of clinics where all clinics have to give their results to the ministry of health but it depends on the country.
Q29: Let’s assume I’ve got 3 embryos and 2 of them have chromosomal abnormalities, what do you do with these abnormal embryos?
This also depends on the country. If they are normal embryos, and I suppose you mean frozen embryos studied with genetic techniques, they will not be killed.
Q30: What exactly is PGS testing? What is chromosomal rearrangement? Trisomy? Monosomy?
This is a very good question. PGS tests all the chromosomes and with the same technique, you study trisomy and monosomy and also rearrangement. The only rearrangement that we can currently study is very small but this is very rare. PGH test both chromosomal rearrangement and also aneuploidy.
Q31: Can I use Xytex open id donor sperm at your clinic with NGS testing? Or do you not accept it?
Xytex is an American sperm bank, however, this would not be possible as all donors must be anonymous, whether sperm donors or egg donors.
Q32: At your clinic can you do NGS or PGD on our own embryo (with donor eggs and husband’s own sperms) as well as with an adoption embryo?
Yes, we can do NGS, no matter if it is with own embryos or adoption embryos we can do this.
Q33: Are there any other biomarkers for embryo viability?
This is a very good point because we who are working in with embryos are looking for good biomarkers to not damage the embryo. We have only today two biomarkers, morphology, which is a non-invasive technique and genetic studies. With morphology, we have several different techniques e.g. morphology time-lapse techniques, so that we can have a better embryo, but nowadays, with this, is not possible to check for embryo aneuploidy. The only technique we have for this is PGT.
Q34: What do you think is the best solution, to do NGS on our own embryo when adoption embryo already has NGS?
An adoption embryo does not have your genes and if you have another adopted embryo, NGS will be better for chromosomes. If you want the child to have your genes, it would be better to check your own embryo with NGS.
Check the clinic profile of PreGen which is Genetics Unit at the above mentioned Hospital UR Vistahermosa and employs highly specialized team of fertility doctors and embryologists. PreGen clinic has been in operation for over 30 years ago and possesses broad experience in the field of ART.
What is PGD genetic testing?
This type of testing is performed prior to embryo transfer. If you have a few embryos at your disposal, you would certainly want to use the healthiest of them. A healthy embryo will make a healthy baby. Thanks to PGD embryologists can select an embryo that has no known or suspected genetic problem. How does it work? PGD is a method to acquire information about the gene makeup of the embryo cells. PGD procedure is done through an embryo biopsy which removes approx. 3-8 cells from the blastocyst. At that time the embryo remains frozen.
Who is PGD screening for?
If you have a family history of serious genetic diseases or disease linked to certain sex, then genetic testing before IVF is definitely for you. Using PGD embryologists are also able to pinpoint the markers for specific single-gene diseases such as cystic fibrosis, muscular dystrophy and sickle cell anaemia or show abnormal number of chromosomes. With PGD it is easy to select the embryos which are unaffected and most viable.
What is PGS?
On the other hand, PGS testing is used to establish the risk of aneuploidy (abnormal number of chromosomes). Properly developing embryo should contain 46 chromosomes. The test in carried out the same way as PGD, via a biopsy on embryo day 5. The euploid embryos which contain the right number of chromosomes are selected for uterine transfer.
What are the benefits of PGS IVF testing?
The risk to have an abnormal embryo is higher especially for older women. The problems with abnormal embryo may include failure to implant, miscarriage, biochemical pregnancy, late pregnancy foetal death, stillbirth or live birth of a baby with abnormalities.
Certainly, there are more issues connected with PGD and PGS testing, however, most of them were discussed in the above webinar.